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Imagining no heaven: 16 famous women who don’t believe in God.
On October 9, music fans the world over will remember the dear departed Beatle who imagined no heaven, no hell and, yes, no religion, too. Had he lived, John Lennon, who was shot and killed in 1980 at age 40, would have been 73. But the views Lennon espoused in the song “Imagine” (and even more so in “God”) are shared, to an extent, by these accomplished women who have declared themselves atheists.
http://ph.she.yahoo.com/
Imagining no heaven: 16 famous women who don’t believe in God.On October 9, music fans the world over will remember the dear departed Beatle who imagined no heaven, no hell and, yes, no religion, too. Had he lived, John Lennon, who was shot and killed in 1980 at age 40, would have been 73. But the views Lennon espoused in the song “Imagine” (and even more so in “God”) are shared, to an extent, by these accomplished women who have declared themselves atheists.
http://ph.she.yahoo.com/
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Christopher Norulak
11 Okt 2013
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this will convince more women to leave religion, the New/Old
testament/Koran are so misogynic and have been the justification for so
much sexism that its heartbreaking to see women defend documents that
justify taking away their freedoms and reducing them to baby making
machines instead of the proud and strong person they are.
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Jon Amdall
11 Okt 2013
Agreed, +Christopher Norulak.
Seems like anything related to a woman's ability to create life is
made into a filthy, sinful thing. It's a childish envy legitimized
through texts and teachings that are deemed unquestionable. It pisses
me off
Helsi Dinafitri
11 Okt 2013
I
was told that The best man amongts men is those who do the best to his
mother and also his wife. The first person should a man bow to is his
mother, the second is his mother, the third is his mother, and the forth
is his father.... as for ur information about koran
Jad Villanueva
12 Okt 2013
+Helsi Dinafitri quote it pls...your "I was told" statement is subject for scrutiny if thats the case... juz sayin
Jason Jackson
12 Okt 2013
I knew I loved Natalie Portman 8P
Sabeer Abdulla
12 Okt 2013
+Helsi Dinafitri : Both those statements are to be found in the Hadiths (the sayings,actions and approvals ) of Prophet Muhammed PBUH, not
the Quran. Also, the second statement is incorrect, in that it never
says to bow down to your mother, rather when repeatedly asked who is
most deserving of our love, the Prophet PBUH replied "your mother" the
first three times and on the fourth ,replied "your father".
The Quran is not misogynistic and treats women on par with men according to their individual natures.
Incidentally,there are more women converting to Islam in the west than men , fifty thousand per year in the UK alone. And, the list has 16 ? Well, numbers they don't have.
The Quran is not misogynistic and treats women on par with men according to their individual natures.
Incidentally,there are more women converting to Islam in the west than men , fifty thousand per year in the UK alone. And, the list has 16 ? Well, numbers they don't have.
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Helsi Dinafitri
12 Okt 2013
+Jad Villanueva thanks to +Sabeer Abdulla
for correcting my post ..... as an additional information... money
that eared by a woman cannot be owned by her husband or kids since it is
totally her own. The man can only use his wive earnings if she allow
him. +Sabeer Abdulla can u tell me whether it is mention in The Koran or told by hadiths. ...
Jon Amdall
12 Okt 2013
+Sabeer Abdulla You
can rationalize Islamic misogyny if it makes you feel better about
yourself. But day-to-day life under these Caliphate-seeking theocracies
contradicts you completely.
How do you explain Saudi women requiring male escorts in public? Veiled faces because women are held responsible for male weakness? How about female circumcision? Or honor killings? Real life does not back your claims.
How do you explain Saudi women requiring male escorts in public? Veiled faces because women are held responsible for male weakness? How about female circumcision? Or honor killings? Real life does not back your claims.
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Helsi Dinafitri
12 Okt 2013
+Jon Amdall
since u r asking then i explain it. Thanks for ur questions. I have
never been escordted and also not use veil in my face, an not being
circumcicion and i damned for honor killing ..... because i am living
in Indonesia which so difference culture with saudi we have hundreds of
ethnic languages n religions n believers that make us has difference
approch to have understanding toward the message written in Koran. All
of what u mentioned above is only about how to have better understansing
towards what behind the written of Koran our in order to match with our
religion main mission for human life which is rahmattan lil alamin or
bless for all people and the world. There is no order to women
circumcision no alo a must to use headscarf n face feil ....
Sabeer Abdulla
+Jon Amdall : But day-to-day life under these Caliphate-seeking theocracies contradicts you completely.
Right, so the people failing to follow the laws set down for them
implies the laws are wrong ? That's like saying, "Let's legalise murder
because even though the law says it's illegal, people do it anyway".
day-to-day life hardly follows the ideals set down for it in any
scenario. Removing religions won't change a thing in that respect.That
is a delusion.
How do you explain Saudi women requiring male escorts in public? Again, I'll never claim Saudis as the epitome of Islamic behaviour. That's like saying "democracy was founded in greece, so they should be the best at it". Women do require male escorts as per Islamic rules as protection when they are travelling and the likelihood of the women being molested is high. The saudis take it a bit far and they are recently changing for the better in that aspect.
Veiled faces because women are held responsible for male weakness? Umm, huh ? Veiling of the faces is a cultural norm not a religious one. It was in fact taken as a status symbol for women in early Islamic period because the prophet's PBUH wives used to do it. No one blames women for men's weakness. Both the genders are required to dress and behave modestly. Women are required to cover more parts of their bodies so as to prevent temptation to men, male sexuality is after all very visually based. If tempted and men (not all, it requires only one) molest/rape them,the women suffers more. Prevention is better than a non existent cure.
How about female circumcision? Or honor killings? Both unislamic and have absolutely no basis in the religion and are cultural. Both can be found in non Muslim populations of the countries it is practised in. Nothing to do with Islam.
How do you explain Saudi women requiring male escorts in public? Again, I'll never claim Saudis as the epitome of Islamic behaviour. That's like saying "democracy was founded in greece, so they should be the best at it". Women do require male escorts as per Islamic rules as protection when they are travelling and the likelihood of the women being molested is high. The saudis take it a bit far and they are recently changing for the better in that aspect.
Veiled faces because women are held responsible for male weakness? Umm, huh ? Veiling of the faces is a cultural norm not a religious one. It was in fact taken as a status symbol for women in early Islamic period because the prophet's PBUH wives used to do it. No one blames women for men's weakness. Both the genders are required to dress and behave modestly. Women are required to cover more parts of their bodies so as to prevent temptation to men, male sexuality is after all very visually based. If tempted and men (not all, it requires only one) molest/rape them,the women suffers more. Prevention is better than a non existent cure.
How about female circumcision? Or honor killings? Both unislamic and have absolutely no basis in the religion and are cultural. Both can be found in non Muslim populations of the countries it is practised in. Nothing to do with Islam.
12 Okt 2013
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Jon Amdall
12 Okt 2013
+Sabeer Abdulla ,
you repeatedly indicate that these facts are cultural and not
religious, as if the two could be separated. In the Middle East, Islam
is central to the culture. Either way, that does not excuse using dogma
and superstition to dominate women. Your argument is a straw man.
Your cognitive dissonance does not change the human rights violations that are sanctified by mullahs and Imams. Regardless of what it may say in your book, prominent mouthpieces for your religion preach a much more medieval story.
Your cognitive dissonance does not change the human rights violations that are sanctified by mullahs and Imams. Regardless of what it may say in your book, prominent mouthpieces for your religion preach a much more medieval story.
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Jason Jackson
12 Okt 2013
And Frank king with the pfft
Helsi Dinafitri
12 Okt 2013
+Jon Amdall
ur an atheist but u also a man of certaiin etnict from certain culture.
With ur atheism u can contribute into ur etnic culture in positive or
negative or even contradictive way. What i want to say that islam is not
made by human but a moslem man and women can contribute into their
culture in positive or negatibe way. There is so much culture in the
moslem world which is not teach by islam itself and even
contradictory....
Frank King
12 Okt 2013
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Thanks for your contribution, +Jason Jackson.
Jon Amdall
12 Okt 2013
+Helsi Dinafitri - I am not an atheist, but I am very much against the totalitarianism of the mind that organized religion seeks to impose.
Also, Islam most definitely is created by man, as all religions are. Existence of god is debatable, but mythology surrounding a higher power is completely built by Homo sapiens attempting to understand death.
Also, Islam most definitely is created by man, as all religions are. Existence of god is debatable, but mythology surrounding a higher power is completely built by Homo sapiens attempting to understand death.
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Helsi Dinafitri
13 Okt 2013
I
am sorry to tell u atheist. Anyway it is a good choise to left anything
one think it is not true. Well i really want to know ur proof that
Islam or Koran was created by man? 1600 years ago Koran has told us
about bingbang, orbits, moonlight from the sun, embryo, the meeting of
salty and nonsalty seas that cannot mix each other, pain reception in
our skin, it just for mentioning some...u can easily googling with
keywords islam and science...while Mohammad couldnot read....
Helsi Dinafitri
13 Okt 2013
+Jason Jackson
hi thanks for ur link that i have never have such one before.... well
Jason i do not want to say that Koran must be always accord with
science. U know that Koran says that moon had divided into two and
unite again. Science has no prove on this currently. It is ok no problem
since science in the future can provide the proof.....therefore islam
put the higest position for the scientist in order to prove His
messages. There is no tragedy against scientist and islam in history,
just like Gallilleo ....
Jason Jackson
13 Okt 2013
What about the destruction of the library at Alexandria? Centuries of human research burned to the ground
Jon Amdall
13 Okt 2013
+Helsi Dinafitri I
go with the most reasonable claim. If there is a non-supernatural
explanation, such as a human wrote a book, I go with that until proven
otherwise. Have we ever seen anything other than a human write a book?
No.
To make a huge leap and claim a supernatural being authored a book thousands of years ago is a fantastical claim, and the burden of proof is on you to show how something non-human could write a book.
And no...the book trying to convince us of these fairy tales itself is not evidence.
To make a huge leap and claim a supernatural being authored a book thousands of years ago is a fantastical claim, and the burden of proof is on you to show how something non-human could write a book.
And no...the book trying to convince us of these fairy tales itself is not evidence.
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Helsi Dinafitri
13 Okt 2013
+Jason Jackson
the second moslem leader after Mohammad, Umar bin khattab in 640 ac
didnot burn the library but julius caesar in 48 bc and two other strikes
made by aurelian and theophilis until liberated by umar and the
library then developed
Helsi Dinafitri
13 Okt 2013
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+Jon Amdall
thanks for ur question...i didnot tel that supernatural wrote a book. I
want to say that it is impossible for Mohammad himself who could not
read create messages which only science can confirme it hundreds year
later or more. We have Koran was deliver to Muhammad through engel and
those His messages were being memorized clearly in mind by Mohammad's
friends and continued over generations until now. In Mohammad era Koran
was also written in leafs, not a book ofcourse, and after his die Koran
was codificated by the third leader after him, Ustman. U know that the
Koran memorizers no need even a book because it already in their mind
without any wrong in performing 30 chapters contain of 114 verses...
tell me is there any book in the worls that can be memorized such as
Koran across generation without any wrong saying even once? This is a
fact
Helsi Dinafitri
13 Okt 2013
+Jason Jackson thanks to ur link... i dont know what u wanna to say on that? ......or what should i explain to u particularly...
Koran couldnot understand only by reading text by text....one should understand arabic fisrt and then the cultural context when the message delivered the background story of why the message was delivered, etc
Koran couldnot understand only by reading text by text....one should understand arabic fisrt and then the cultural context when the message delivered the background story of why the message was delivered, etc
Jon Amdall
13 Okt 2013
Thanks, great post +Jason Jackson. +Helsi Dinafitri, click the links on the left or right side for absurdities, contradictions, and violence in your book.
Helsi Dinafitri
13 Okt 2013
+Jon Amdall
Well, as i told u Koran could not read by text only but being
interpreted with metodology. Reading or comparing text to another text
will lost the main mission of those messages. For instance about
alcoholic drink. It was not forbid stright away but using ohases in
order to adjust with condition of people and their culture at that time.
Koran was only said not to pray in drunk conditon at the first.then
Koran said that alcohol has positive and negative impact but the
negative impact much bigger, after that Koran firmly forbid it.
Jason Jackson
13 Okt 2013
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You
just said that the Koran contains scientific facts then you say that
the text isn't meant to be taken literally. What makes your
understanding of the metaphorical book the correct one?
Helsi Dinafitri
14 Okt 2013
+Jason Jackson
to understand Koran is different from the way other religion handbook
was being understood. Hihgly carefull interpretation needed.
Interpretation not only refer to contemporary interpretation but also to
classic interpretation using authoritative sources which is Koran,
Hadith and uelama opinions. It is the effort to reach the correct
interpretation toward messages in the Koran. U know that Koran is
intended to all generations until the end of the world while Koran has
never changed still in arabic although can be translated into all
languages. This is another one that contribute to keep the correct
source of a holybook for human.
Jon Amdall
14 Okt 2013
I'm sorry +Helsi Dinafitri, but that is ridiculous. You can't judge a BOOK based on its WORDS?
Aside from that, you have used logical fallacies as the sole basis for your argument. Circular reasoning, false attribution...you're not going to convince rational souls that way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Aside from that, you have used logical fallacies as the sole basis for your argument. Circular reasoning, false attribution...you're not going to convince rational souls that way.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
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Helsi Dinafitri
14 Okt 2013
+Jon Amdall
Thanks Jon for ur post n link. Ofcourse u can judge a book based on its
words. However if u read a history book from hundred year ago u have to
adjust urself by considering what context at that time the pshyco the
way of their thingking at that time the politic situation etc.ok? So
that the way u have to do when u read Koran Text. It is really same. And
because moslem believe that Koran is the God message they do this extra
carefully
I unqdeertand that u still thinking that Koran is created by human while i am not. Ur right i have to explain it using the way ur thingking. Okey let me try
1. Ihave told u that Koran contains science in it and already confirmed hundred years later and could be in the future
2. Koran designed mathematically in which Koran would repeat the same word in scatered part of different verses in impresive way. Months repeated 12 x days repeated 365x woman 24x man also the same 24x dunya or world 115x hereafter 115x satan 88 x engels 88x u can easily googling with key word quran and mathematic.
How can a man who can not read can create a book which designed mathematically well and confirmed by science....
I unqdeertand that u still thinking that Koran is created by human while i am not. Ur right i have to explain it using the way ur thingking. Okey let me try
1. Ihave told u that Koran contains science in it and already confirmed hundred years later and could be in the future
2. Koran designed mathematically in which Koran would repeat the same word in scatered part of different verses in impresive way. Months repeated 12 x days repeated 365x woman 24x man also the same 24x dunya or world 115x hereafter 115x satan 88 x engels 88x u can easily googling with key word quran and mathematic.
How can a man who can not read can create a book which designed mathematically well and confirmed by science....
Sabeer Abdulla
14 Okt 2013
Oh brother.
+Jon Amdall : you repeatedly indicate that these facts are cultural and not religious, as if the two could be separated. Erm, yeah, they can. If 'facts'/actions can be shown to be practised as being common to people of various religious groups in a shared geographical area,without it being prescribed by any religions,then yes, religious and cultural aspects can and often are separated.
Take for example, honour killings. Pretty common in india and pakistan. Practised by both hindus and muslims, the former in india and the latter in pakistan. Same for the middle east. Same for africa. same anywhere else. Watching braking bad is a cultural aspect in america,not restricted to any religious or non religious group.
Regardless of what it may say in your book, prominent mouthpieces for your religion preach a much more medieval story. Ergo, they are not preaching the religion's position on the subject. Islam is based fundamentally in the Quran and the Sunnah. Anything outside of these sources are innovations (bidaa) in the religion and are considered blasphemous. So,yeah the prominent mouthpieces aren't representative of the religion.
To make a huge leap and claim a supernatural being authored a book thousands of years ago is a fantastical claim, and the burden of proof is on you to show how something non-human could write a book. Not at all a huge leap, pretty basic deductive logic. Let me explain.
1. Muhammed PBUH, allegedly the author of the Quran, was illiterate. Even if you disagree with that particular premise,it's irrelevant to the logical aspect of the issue.
2. The Quran can be proved as not being written by a human being if it can be shown that it contains information that was impossible for any human being to come by in 6th century arabia.
3. Scientific facts in the Quran, like those mentioned above, the big bang, the age of the universe and its relation to the age of the earth,geological time lines, salt and fresh water not mixing in large water bodies (haloclines), embryology, uniqueness of fingerprints are all mentioned in the Quran.
4.None of these facts were known to humans prior to 'science' discovering them (independently of it being stated in the Quran,) in the late 19th to 20th centuries, 1400 or so years after the Quran was revealed.
5.Question: How did Muhammed PBUH,illiterate or not,come across such information so as to include them in a book that he supposedly authored?
6.Logical conclusion: He couldn't have written the book,on his own or with help from any other human being of his time or for another 1400 years in the future.
7. Logical conclusion : He got the information where he says he got it from, a supernatural source,the Creator of the Universe,who had such information before scientists came to discover it, aka Allah (~= God).
+Jason Jackson : You just said that the Koran contains scientific facts then you say that the text isn't meant to be taken literally. What makes your understanding of the metaphorical book the correct one? Again, a book can contain both metaphorical and plain text stating facts, both very discernible in their style and context within the Book, not to mention very clearly stated as examples or metaphors in the Book itself.
And yes, the numerous times the supposed contradictions and scientific errors have been bandied about on discussions here and other social media is pretty much mind numbing. I think I should just make a post or blog and just post links because it's getting so boring repeating the same thing ad nauseum to people who don't bother to read the other side of an argument,even with the tools like the internet made immensely easy to search by google.
Now, before I even attempt a go at the 'links', here is one from your sources you should read. [http://
Let's see. Shall we start with the very simplest one ? Like 1+1=2 kinda simple.
[http://
And these are the verses they quote to (try and) prove a (non-existent) contradiction.
The Quran says six days, they say.
"Lo! your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days." Quran Ch.7:V.54 (http://quran.com/7/54)
"Lo! your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days."
Quran Ch.10:V.3 (http://quran.com/10/3)
"And He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days." Quran Ch.11:V.7 (http://quran.com/11/7)
We created the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them, in six Days." Quran Ch.50:V.38 (http://quran.com/50/38)
"He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days." Quran Ch.57:V.4 (http://quran.com/57/4)
And goes onto contradict itself saying it's eight days. they say.
(http://quran.com/41/9-12)
(41:9) "Say, "Do you indeed disbelieve in He who created the earth in two days and attribute to Him equals? That is the Lord of the worlds.""
(41:10) " And He placed on the earth firmly set mountains over its surface, and He blessed it and determined therein its [creatures'] sustenance in four days without distinction - for [the information] of those who ask."
(41:11) "Then He directed Himself to the heaven while it was smoke and said to it and to the earth, "Come [into being], willingly or by compulsion." They said, "We have come willingly.""
(41:12) "And He completed them as seven heavens within two days and inspired in each heaven its command. And We adorned the nearest heaven with lamps and as protection. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing." Quran Ch.41:V.9-12
[Apparently, it 2 + 4 + 2 = 8]
Oh sigh. I dunno if you've noticed but the first set of verses where they all say it is six days, they all mention it as the creation time for "the heavens and the earth" (total time) whereas the final verses (41:9-12) quoted above mention 2 days for the earth alone and 2 days for the heavens alone. Separate events and individual times for each event. Overlapping or constituent times do not get added up separately. Let me elaborate with an example.
The tailor made the suit [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Incidentally,
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
4.54 billion years is one-third (1/3) of 13.798 billion years. So is 2 days out of 6 days (2/6 = 3), exactly as the Quran states.
Oh yeah, I'm getting to the 4 days part.
(41:10) "*And He placed on the earth firmly set mountains over its surface, and He blessed it and determined therein its [creatures'] sustenance in four days without distinction* - for [the information] of those who ask."
That is the time it took to make the stuff on earth, like the mountains and its flora and fauna. And guess what science says about it. The geological time period is divided into four eons, during which all the stuff that you see on earth was created. [http://imnh.isu.edu/exhibits/
yeah, yeah,I've heard the billions of years is not the same as 2 or 6 days. You're just ignorant about the language of the Quran. The word yaum translated as days also means a large extent of time,like say billions of years. Am I trying to fit the verse to the science ? Hardly. The Quran uses the same word yaum in other verses and explicitly states that the word day isn't equivalent to the days as counted by humans.
"He arranges [each] matter from the heaven to the earth; then it will ascend to Him in a Day, the extent of which is a thousand years of those which you count." Quran Ch.32:V.5 (http://quran.com/32/5)
"The angels and the Spirit will ascend to Him during a Day the extent of which is fifty thousand years." Quran Ch.70:V.4 (http://quran.com/70/4)
Contradictions in the Quran ?!?!?! I think not. You should probably read what you link to and evaluate their claims dispassionately rather than trying to use these lame sources at attempting to discredit (and miserably failing I might add) the Quran.
Oh yeah,do tell how someone,anyone,in 6th century C.E. arabia could have come up with that info without access to science or a supernatural Omniscient source.
+Jon Amdall : you repeatedly indicate that these facts are cultural and not religious, as if the two could be separated. Erm, yeah, they can. If 'facts'/actions can be shown to be practised as being common to people of various religious groups in a shared geographical area,without it being prescribed by any religions,then yes, religious and cultural aspects can and often are separated.
Take for example, honour killings. Pretty common in india and pakistan. Practised by both hindus and muslims, the former in india and the latter in pakistan. Same for the middle east. Same for africa. same anywhere else. Watching braking bad is a cultural aspect in america,not restricted to any religious or non religious group.
Regardless of what it may say in your book, prominent mouthpieces for your religion preach a much more medieval story. Ergo, they are not preaching the religion's position on the subject. Islam is based fundamentally in the Quran and the Sunnah. Anything outside of these sources are innovations (bidaa) in the religion and are considered blasphemous. So,yeah the prominent mouthpieces aren't representative of the religion.
To make a huge leap and claim a supernatural being authored a book thousands of years ago is a fantastical claim, and the burden of proof is on you to show how something non-human could write a book. Not at all a huge leap, pretty basic deductive logic. Let me explain.
1. Muhammed PBUH, allegedly the author of the Quran, was illiterate. Even if you disagree with that particular premise,it's irrelevant to the logical aspect of the issue.
2. The Quran can be proved as not being written by a human being if it can be shown that it contains information that was impossible for any human being to come by in 6th century arabia.
3. Scientific facts in the Quran, like those mentioned above, the big bang, the age of the universe and its relation to the age of the earth,geological time lines, salt and fresh water not mixing in large water bodies (haloclines), embryology, uniqueness of fingerprints are all mentioned in the Quran.
4.None of these facts were known to humans prior to 'science' discovering them (independently of it being stated in the Quran,) in the late 19th to 20th centuries, 1400 or so years after the Quran was revealed.
5.Question: How did Muhammed PBUH,illiterate or not,come across such information so as to include them in a book that he supposedly authored?
6.Logical conclusion: He couldn't have written the book,on his own or with help from any other human being of his time or for another 1400 years in the future.
7. Logical conclusion : He got the information where he says he got it from, a supernatural source,the Creator of the Universe,who had such information before scientists came to discover it, aka Allah (~= God).
+Jason Jackson : You just said that the Koran contains scientific facts then you say that the text isn't meant to be taken literally. What makes your understanding of the metaphorical book the correct one? Again, a book can contain both metaphorical and plain text stating facts, both very discernible in their style and context within the Book, not to mention very clearly stated as examples or metaphors in the Book itself.
And yes, the numerous times the supposed contradictions and scientific errors have been bandied about on discussions here and other social media is pretty much mind numbing. I think I should just make a post or blog and just post links because it's getting so boring repeating the same thing ad nauseum to people who don't bother to read the other side of an argument,even with the tools like the internet made immensely easy to search by google.
Now, before I even attempt a go at the 'links', here is one from your sources you should read. [http://
Let's see. Shall we start with the very simplest one ? Like 1+1=2 kinda simple.
[http://
And these are the verses they quote to (try and) prove a (non-existent) contradiction.
The Quran says six days, they say.
"Lo! your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days." Quran Ch.7:V.54 (http://quran.com/7/54)
"Lo! your Lord is Allah Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days."
Quran Ch.10:V.3 (http://quran.com/10/3)
"And He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days." Quran Ch.11:V.7 (http://quran.com/11/7)
We created the heavens and the earth, and all that is between them, in six Days." Quran Ch.50:V.38 (http://quran.com/50/38)
"He it is Who created the heavens and the earth in six Days." Quran Ch.57:V.4 (http://quran.com/57/4)
And goes onto contradict itself saying it's eight days. they say.
(http://quran.com/41/9-12)
(41:9) "Say, "Do you indeed disbelieve in He who created the earth in two days and attribute to Him equals? That is the Lord of the worlds.""
(41:10) " And He placed on the earth firmly set mountains over its surface, and He blessed it and determined therein its [creatures'] sustenance in four days without distinction - for [the information] of those who ask."
(41:11) "Then He directed Himself to the heaven while it was smoke and said to it and to the earth, "Come [into being], willingly or by compulsion." They said, "We have come willingly.""
(41:12) "And He completed them as seven heavens within two days and inspired in each heaven its command. And We adorned the nearest heaven with lamps and as protection. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing." Quran Ch.41:V.9-12
[Apparently, it 2 + 4 + 2 = 8]
Oh sigh. I dunno if you've noticed but the first set of verses where they all say it is six days, they all mention it as the creation time for "the heavens and the earth" (total time) whereas the final verses (41:9-12) quoted above mention 2 days for the earth alone and 2 days for the heavens alone. Separate events and individual times for each event. Overlapping or constituent times do not get added up separately. Let me elaborate with an example.
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4.54 billion years is one-third (1/3) of 13.798 billion years. So is 2 days out of 6 days (2/6 = 3), exactly as the Quran states.
Oh yeah, I'm getting to the 4 days part.
(41:10) "*And He placed on the earth firmly set mountains over its surface, and He blessed it and determined therein its [creatures'] sustenance in four days without distinction* - for [the information] of those who ask."
That is the time it took to make the stuff on earth, like the mountains and its flora and fauna. And guess what science says about it. The geological time period is divided into four eons, during which all the stuff that you see on earth was created. [http://imnh.isu.edu/exhibits/
yeah, yeah,I've heard the billions of years is not the same as 2 or 6 days. You're just ignorant about the language of the Quran. The word yaum translated as days also means a large extent of time,like say billions of years. Am I trying to fit the verse to the science ? Hardly. The Quran uses the same word yaum in other verses and explicitly states that the word day isn't equivalent to the days as counted by humans.
"He arranges [each] matter from the heaven to the earth; then it will ascend to Him in a Day, the extent of which is a thousand years of those which you count." Quran Ch.32:V.5 (http://quran.com/32/5)
"The angels and the Spirit will ascend to Him during a Day the extent of which is fifty thousand years." Quran Ch.70:V.4 (http://quran.com/70/4)
Contradictions in the Quran ?!?!?! I think not. You should probably read what you link to and evaluate their claims dispassionately rather than trying to use these lame sources at attempting to discredit (and miserably failing I might add) the Quran.
Oh yeah,do tell how someone,anyone,in 6th century C.E. arabia could have come up with that info without access to science or a supernatural Omniscient source.
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Helsi Dinafitri
15 Okt 2013
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+Jad Villanueva
I am sorry i already create discussion not strightly related to ur
post topic. But i just answering the coming questions towards me. Sorry
if this is make u disatisfy....
Jon Amdall
15 Okt 2013
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Ha ha, yeah you're right. We did completely highjack his thread. Sorry about that, +Jad Villanueva
Jad Villanueva
15 Okt 2013
No worries... were here to discuss intelligent argument anyway ;)
Helsi Dinafitri
15 Okt 2013
Thanks Jad.... any more question??? He he he Just kidding... well have nice long week end Jad and all of u here...
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